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    Are Physicists Smart?
    Disciplined Professionals serve Power
    "80 % of physicists in North America work for the military"

    Prof. Denis Rancourt, GlobalResearch.ca


    September 4, 2006


    It is generally assumed that physicists are smart people. Even some chemists look up to physicists. Physics is reputed to be a difficult subject, the stuff of nightmares in high school. The greatest scientists that come to mind are often the physicists Einstein and Newton. The inventors of the atomic bomb are held in awe, as are the cosmologists that gave us black holes and worm holes into parallel universes. The proverbial rocket scientists are physicists. It is generally assumed that anyone who has studied quantum mechanics and can work-in the concept of entropy at a cocktail party is pretty smart.

    I’m a physicist and I’ve trained physicists and I’d like to advance a different view: That generally, physicists, as a group, are pretty stupid, and certainly no smarter than any other group of self-centered and self-serving professionals.

    Physicists limit themselves to physics, to simple phenomena that are amenable to manageable mathematical descriptions or to more complex phenomena that are reduced to simplistic descriptions via appropriate filters that are said to "capture the essential features". Physicists study only what they can, given their specific and limited methods, possibly more so than in any other natural science discipline.

    This in itself is an efficient and productive approach but physicists go much further. As a matter of professional culture, physicists believe that their methods could eventually lead to a deep and thorough understanding of all phenomena (including human consciousness, learning, politics, etc., for example), given time, dedication, sufficient funding, and powerful enough computers. Physicists believe that all sciences and all branches of human knowledge are physics, ultimately. They arrive at this conclusion having never read or studied psychology, pedagogy, philosophy, history, politics, sociology, art, etc. as part of their professional training.

    Indeed, the modern professional physicist has usually subjected himself (less often herself) to extreme specialization, to be able to handle the technical side of the profession. This training is also largely about adopting the culture of the professional physicist: Examples and examples of what are "good problems – good questions" and what are "bad (= 'unmanageable’) problems"; and examples and examples of how one tames a new problem and fits it into the mould of what a physicist can do. The physics student learns to bridle his curiosity and to restrict himself to what is doable, publishable, useful, profitable; using the unique methods of physics and providing "answers" that other professionals could not. That is the name of the game.

    A broader education would not be compatible with this strategy – just enough reading outside of the field to spot new physics opportunities is the most that is recommended. A broader education might also cloud one’s professional identity and one’s professionalism: Eighty percent of physicists in North America work for the military, in the world’s largest military economy [1]. But of course physics students are drawn to physics because all can be understood via the physics portal and because worm holes are neat. Students search for meaning and social status and find military and corporate service, often in an environment that maintains the neat-problem mental bubble first cultivated in sci-fi and electronic game land.

    If you’re already smarter than everyone else (as is generally the working assumption in most professions), then you don’t really need to venture out into other fields – that are so primitive and qualitative and descriptive in comparison to physics.

    Other fields…? Other methods…? Complexity…? Professional physicists have so buried themselves into their culture of the doable, the mappable, the reducible, the solvable, the codable, … that they are largely unable to perceive complexity.

    Students are drawn to physics by its promise of a manageable mathematical description, an ~~~~~~ive method to own the world, to organise and predict the outside. Emotional immaturity, a need for an ~~~~~~ive solution to uncertainty or a need to escape reality, draws students to physics and accompanies them in their professional development. The same naivety that couples so well with the physics culture also blocks perception of the complex.

    That is the main reason, in my view, that physicists are stupid: They are unable to perceive complexity, a complexity of the real world that goes far beyond what physics will ever be able to handle in any universe. They are unable to even get a glimpse of the textures and subplots that may be intrinsically incompatible with mathematical description. To them, mathematics is the language of reality, not a mere human invention or genetically delimited _expression. To them, the ~~~~~~ive mind is all-powerful and able to open all doors. To them, useful perception is physiological and does not benefit from the uncertainties of one’s emotional state. To the physicist, communication is data transmission, not the subtleties that can only be captured by the right configuration of social and emotional attributes. The physicist deals in hard bits, not the imperceptibles that determine our animal and social lives. The physicist is unaware of his blindness and glibly confident in his perception, especially his perception of himself as systematic unraveller of the truth.

    If at least he was harmless!

    Denis G. Rancourt is Professor of Physics at the University of Ottawa

    Notes:

    [1] Schmidt, Jeff. Disciplined Minds. Rowan and Littlefield Publ., NY, 2000. Parenti, Michael. Democracy for the Few. Bedford St. Martin’s Publ., Boston, 1995. Mitchell, Peter R. and Schoeffel, John (Eds.) Understanding Power – The Indispensable Chomsky. The New Press, NY, 2002.
    OBJECTS IN MIRROR ARE CLOSER THAN THEY APPEAR...

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    Re: Los físicos son inteligentes?

    En aquellos lejanos días del 2006, cuando este artículo salió en el New York Times (creo, a mi me llegó por correo) me divertí discutiéndolo en algunos foros... es sorprendente cómo la gente se aferra a sus creencias...

    Hoy, con la serie de TV The big Bang Theory, creo que es mucho más fácil comprender a que se refiere el artículo....

    una liga con el artículo:

    http://activistteacher.~~~~~~~~.com/...sts-smart.html
    Pedro Navajas
    Forista Plata
    Last edited by Pedro Navajas; 07-diciembre-2010, 12:43.
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    • #3
      Re: Los físicos son inteligentes?

      y algunas personas dicen que los militares no dan chamba mas que de chalanes..............

      muy sencillo estudie fisica - quimica - termodinamica
      ARMAOS LOS UNOS A LOS OTROS...

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      • #4
        Re: Los físicos son inteligentes?

        Ansina es mi carl, ansina es...
        I love my attitude problem.

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        • #5
          Re: Los físicos son inteligentes?

          Originalmente publicado por carl miller Ver post
          y algunas personas dicen que los militares no dan chamba mas que de chalanes..............

          muy sencillo estudie fisica - quimica - termodinamica
          El asunto es que, en general, el estudiante de física no aspira a trabajar en el ejercito... o al menos no es su principal objetivo... y menos en los ambientes descritos:

          Students search for meaning and social status and find military and corporate service, often in an environment that maintains the neat-problem mental bubble first cultivated in sci-fi and electronic game land.
          OBJECTS IN MIRROR ARE CLOSER THAN THEY APPEAR...

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          • #6
            Re: Los físicos son inteligentes?

            This in itself is an efficient and productive approach but physicists go much further. As a matter of professional culture, physicists believe that their methods could eventually lead to a deep and thorough understanding of all phenomena (including human consciousness, learning, politics, etc., for example), given time, dedication, sufficient funding, and powerful enough computers. Physicists believe that all sciences and all branches of human knowledge are physics, ultimately. They arrive at this conclusion having never read or studied psychology, pedagogy, philosophy, history, politics, sociology, art, etc. as part of their professional training.


            me parece genial esta parte.....y en verdad creo que asi sucede
            ARMAOS LOS UNOS A LOS OTROS...

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            • #7
              Re: Los físicos son inteligentes?

              Originalmente publicado por Pedro Navajas Ver post
              El asunto es que, en general, el estudiante de física no aspira a trabajar en el ejercito... o al menos no es su principal objetivo... y menos en los ambientes descritos:
              estoy 100% de acuerdo contigo , pero el ejercito es quien mas aprecia y solicita su trabajo , ademas e la libertad que te da esta institucion en el desarrollo de tus proyectos es enorme....
              ARMAOS LOS UNOS A LOS OTROS...

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                Re: Los físicos son inteligentes?

                Originalmente publicado por carl miller Ver post
                estoy 100% de acuerdo contigo , pero el ejercito es quien mas aprecia y solicita su trabajo , ademas e la libertad que te da esta institucion en el desarrollo de tus proyectos es enorme....
                Puede ser, pero en todo caso esa libertad jamás se compara con la libertad del profesor universitario...
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                • #9
                  Re: Los físicos son inteligentes?

                  la libertad de caterda es algo que no tiene precio...

                  pero tarde o temprano , directa o indirectamente terminan con los militares , ya ves a oppenheimmer era profesor del instituto tecnologico de california y termino en el proyecto manhattan....

                  igual...... bor , fermi , Szilárd , Wigner , Bethe , Van Vleck , Teller , Felix Bloch, Konopinsk i , Serber, Stanley , Nelson
                  ARMAOS LOS UNOS A LOS OTROS...

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                  • #10
                    Re: Los físicos son inteligentes?

                    El tema sin duda es interesante:

                    Al ser el ejercito de USA el principal consumidor de investigaciónde vanguardia en física... todo físico en el planeta trabajará o ha trabajado un tema cuyo benefiado final es el ejercito gabacho...

                    Sobre todo países que en la busqueda de hacer ciencia, terminan maquilando ciencia, como México...

                    El asunto cobra importancia porque bien sabemos que el planeta está urgido de nuevas tecnologías amigables con el planeta y la sociedad... que no se llevan a cabo por esta presencia del ejercito gabacho...

                    Otro punto a favor de la imbecilidad de los físicos...

                    No tarda el iN3Pto en venir a mentar madres... su admiración por la ciencia que no entiende llega a la ignominia...
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                    • #11
                      Re: Los físicos son inteligentes?

                      juar juar juar....te entiendo muy bien

                      el neutron tres plutonio no tiene ni idea muchas veces de los temas que se tratan .... de lo que si es un experto es de los muertos diarias de la narco-guerra sucia


                      saludos
                      ARMAOS LOS UNOS A LOS OTROS...

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                      • #12
                        Re: Los físicos son inteligentes?

                        No pos si, semos reteinteligentes.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Los físicos son inteligentes?

                          Originalmente publicado por Argus Ver post
                          No pos si, semos reteinteligentes.
                          CLARO QUE SI , SOLO QUE COMO BIEN DICE PEDRO NAVAJAS...Otro punto a favor de la imbecilidad de los físicos... O SEA QUE SER FISICO NO TE SALVA DE SER IMBECIL....
                          ARMAOS LOS UNOS A LOS OTROS...

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                          • #14
                            Re: Los físicos son inteligentes?

                            Pos en un estallido social, despertar de zombies o invasion alienigena ser fisico no te va a servir pa chingada madre.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Los físicos son inteligentes?

                              Originalmente publicado por Pedro Navajas Ver post
                              En aquellos lejanos días del 2006, cuando este artículo salió en el New York Times (creo, a mi me llegó por correo) me divertí discutiéndolo en algunos foros... es sorprendente cómo la gente se aferra a sus creencias...

                              Hoy, con la serie de TV The big Bang Theory, creo que es mucho más fácil comprender a que se refiere el artículo....
                              Realmente son estúpidos esos cuates, unos fracasados social y económicamente. Prácticamente tienen el mismo nivel económico que una mesera, y ella es exitosa socialmente.
                              Así que ¿cual es el mensaje? ¿No estudies porque te vuelves nerd?
                              Básicamente ese es el mensaje en todos los programas gringos en los que aparecen los nerds (estúpidos, fracasados, feos y mal vestidos)
                              Yo veo este programa cono mi hijo (14) pero le aclaro que la realidad no es así. En cuanto tengo oportunidad, le presento ejemplos palpables de gente estudiosa y exitosa en varios ámbitos.

                              En cuanto al tema principal, hay muchos estudiantes que, al no poder enfrentar exitosamente los diferentes aspectos de la vida, se refugian en los libros, y se vuelben brillantes en un tema muy específico, pero fallen en los demás, y son, equivocadamente catalogados como genios.
                              -Crearemos una ilusión que será tan grande, tan inmensa que escapará a la percepción. Aquellos que la vean serán acusados de dementes.

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